Why won't the Izh Jupiter 5 start? Is there any spark coming from gasoline?

Why did they stop producing the IZH Planet motorcycle in Russia? Oddly enough, the Kovrov Machine-Building Plant named after Dektyarev (ZID), as well as the former Soviet, now Belarusian Minsk Motorcycle Plant, still supply their motorcycles to the market. As for the Izhevsk Machine-Building Plant, which produces IZH motorcycles (Planet, Planet-Sport, Jupiter), the last production batch of motorcycles was produced in 2008, then, due to difficulties arising from the economic crisis, the production of IZH motorcycles was curtailed. It’s a pity, because the state could have provided assistance to the plant. At that time, Izhmash had a lot of experimental design work on promising motorcycles, both with two-stroke and four-stroke engines. I have a lot of positive memories associated with the IZh “Planet-3” and “Planet-5” motorcycles.

Any motorcycle model starting from Planet-2 gave a head start to Jupiters in terms of cross-country ability, old or new, it doesn’t matter. He didn’t sail on it, even in the taiga or in the forest, fishing or hunting. A very reliable “workhorse” with traction like a tractor, and my father and I never transported anything on it. We bought it in 1989 and to this day my father drives it, but it looks like new and makes my heart happy with its proper operation. Planet motorcycles, even its oldest models, continue to serve their owners regularly and reliably, despite the stoppage of production, there are no problems with spare parts for repairs on the market, and there is no limit to the maintainability stock. In this article, we will look at the IZH-P5 power unit of the IZH Planet 5 motorcycle, or more precisely, its technical characteristics, weaknesses and disadvantages. The IZH-P5 power unit differs from the IZH-P4 20 hp. the previous model of the motorcycle “IZH Planety-4” increased by 2 hp. power, a higher compression ratio and an engine head, the 4th model has two exhaust pipes, the 5th has one. Gearboxes differ in the number of teeth on the gears and, accordingly, in the gear ratios. Gearboxes are interchangeable.

Fuel does not enter the Izh Jupiter cylinder

1) NOTHING TO BURN.
2) NOTHING TO BURN. 3) NOTHING TO COMPRESS THE FLAMMABLE MIXTURE WITH. Now, in more detail about all the reasons: 1) NOTHING TO BURN - this means that the fuel does not enter the cylinder, OR THE GASOLINE IS VERY OLD AND DOES NOT IGNITE. This can be identified in the following way: unscrew the spark plug, clean it well with a metal brush and screw it back, pull it with the paw several times and unscrew the spark plug again. IF THE PLUG IS DRY, THEN THE FUEL DOES NOT ENTER THE CYLINDER! Possible malfunctions - the sediment filter is clogged, the carburetor is clogged, the air filter or muffler may also be clogged. 2) NOTHING TO BURN - this means that there is no spark on the candle (the spark is weak or, on the contrary, very strong). On a normally working ignition, the SPARK SHOULD BE BLUE-WHITE; a red or white spark indicates improper operation of the ignition system. To see what color the spark is, you need to unscrew the spark plug, put it in a spark plug, put it on the engine, turn on the ignition and pull the crank. Possible malfunctions of the absence of a spark - the ignition contacts do not open or there is no voltage supplied to them, the capacitor is broken to ground, the ignition coil is faulty, the armor wire is faulty, the spark plug or spark plug cap is faulty (as many people call it), the spark plug itself is faulty or there is a problem in the motorcycle wiring, POSSIBLE MOTOR STOP IS ENABLED. For owners of IZH JUPITER motorcycles, it is much easier to find a fault; you just need to swap each of the parts listed above and start it up; if after rearranging the next part, another cylinder stops working, then this part is the problem. If the spark is RED this indicates a lack of voltage, if the spark is WHITE, then on the contrary there is a lot of voltage (the capacitor may have dried out), sparks of this color will not ignite the mixture well. 3) NOTHING TO COMPRESS THE Fuel MIXTURE with - this means there is no compression, the COMMISSION SHOULD BE NOT LESS THAN 8.5, the device that measures compression is called a COMPRESSOMETER and is sold in any auto store, its price is 200-500 rubles; it is inserted or screwed in instead of a spark plug. Details about measuring compression written on the compressometer instructions. Possible malfunctions due to compression - burnt piston, scattered rings, large wear in the cylinder, strong air leaks, broken piston, broken crankshaft key (on IZH JUPITER).

There is ALSO the option that the exhaust system is clogged, the mufflers are coked, but that’s a completely different story.

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If there is no charging on the Izh Jupiter motorcycle.

This article was written to help those motorists who decided to find and fix a malfunction in the battery charging system on IZH 12V motorcycles themselves.

Of the special instruments, you will need the simplest tester with a continuity function (tweeter) and resistance measurement. If you do not have this device, then you can use a light bulb with a battery to determine the contact or break in the circuit.

In this case, you need to install a well-charged battery on the motorcycle, or power the on-board network from another external power source with a constant voltage of 12 V. First of all, we check the presence of voltage with the ignition switch on at the positive terminal of the regulator relay. There should be +12v.

If there is no voltage, then we look for a break from the positive terminal of the battery through the ignition switch and to the + terminal on the relay regulator.

Next, we measure the voltage on the brushes. There should be +12V on one of the brushes. If not, we call the wiring from the relay to the generator brushes.

Next step. We take the brushes out of the holder and ring each of them from the terminal to the graphite. It happens that at the point of contact of the wire with the graphite body of the brush itself, the contact is lost.

Troubleshooting the generator

Three phase wires are disconnected from the stator and the winding (connected to each other according to a star circuit) is connected. That is, the windings should ring with each other and have approximately the same resistance. If some winding does not ring, this means that there is a break and the stator is not working properly.

Next, all three phases are called relative to the body (mass). If it rings, it means the windings are broken into the housing and the stator is not working properly.

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We ring the armature winding (on copper rings). If the rings ring among themselves - good, if not - there is a break, the armature is not working.

The next step is to wire the armature winding relative to the armature body.

If it doesn’t ring, it’s good; if it rings, the winding is broken into the housing and the armature is not working properly!

That's it with the generator.

Relay regulator

If all the wiring is in order, the brushes, stator and rotor are ringing and everything is working, all that remains is the relay regulator! In my experience, even if you don’t have much knowledge of radio electronics, you can at least remove the back cover of the relay regulator and wipe off all the dirt. Carefully look at all the contacts, fastening parts, wires, jumpers; sometimes the contact or soldering simply falls off due to vibration. The diode bridge is practically “eternal”. But the control thyristors sometimes fly out! They are also called simply - to check for breakdown on the housing and between the cathode and the control electrode!

They are also easy to change; a 10 mm nut is unscrewed from below and the wires are unsoldered from above.

That's basically it. And there is absolutely no need to change entire components at random; there can be a lot of reasons, even banal bad contact on the chips or oxidation of the wires in the connector

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Jupiter-5, help the teapot...

The motorcycle sat in a barn for 2.5 years... due to a dead piston...

I pulled it out, washed it, removed the head, cylinders, installed NEW ones: pistons, rings, spark plugs, high-voltage wires, all the gaskets that came along the way...

I collected everything in a pile, placed a car battery next to it, ran the wires, pumped up the carburetor with gasoline - the result was zero, it won’t start, it won’t even catch...

Attempt 2: put 2-3 drops of gasoline into the cylinders - 0 emotions. Attempt 3: we hooked a cable to mark 2 :), dragged 500 meters to the 2nd... byrk byrk byrk, doesn’t grab it..

We checked: the ignition was set according to the marks, the spark plugs gave an excellent spark when pulled with a cable while increasing the gas on the motorcycle, the byrk byrk was heard more clearly, so I believe that the carburetor is working.

Guys, what could be the problem? PS I myself have never disassembled or repaired motorcycles in my life... but in 2 days I kind of realized that there was nothing supernatural there.

Civic 3D, VTI, 97 Forester S/TB, 99 Forester CS, 04 manual transmission Outback, 07, 3.0R

I sprayed gasoline through a sprinkler for watering flowers directly into the diffuser of the carb, if there is a spark it should catch it.

and if the marks are all OK and there is a spark, then I think it’s in the carb! Did you remove the spark plug after starting it? If it's dry, check the carb; if it's wet, there's something wrong with the ignition.

after 2.5 years of inactivity, the carb could actually get ***** from the old gasoline, etc. take it apart, wash it and clean it all, and then try again.

Last edited by ALEX46RUS; 06/21/2007 at 09:23.

Alex, I tried to start it on an old petrol... that is, the petrol is also 2.5 years old, can it be ruined?

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